Dark Side Award # 3 addendum
The previous post IS NOT a hate post.
Muslims in Europe adopt one of two attitudes, they either play victim claiming they are a minority and the non-muslims don’t respect them or demand special privileges due to the fact that their religion must be respected.
What is that respect they want? Easy, we must bow to their tradition and let them have everything their way.
Now let us examine what happens when we go to their countries. We either abide to their costumes or we face penalties that range from being thrown out of the country to prison and even death.
In their countries we must dress the way they want. In our countries they dress the way they want.
In their countries our women must act how they want. In our countries they want to treat their women according to their tradition and not according to our laws.
Where is the hatred? Who is not being sensible?
When they have trouble they ask for our help, but even then they pose demands on how that help must be given. When they don’t need us we are just infidels that deserve no respect.
Thank you but no thank you.
Their idea of diplomacy is to make demands and wait for others to comply.
Well, I will never accept that.
So, I applaud the way the Belgians are dealing with this situation. It was just about time someone stood up and said Enough!.
Muslims in Europe adopt one of two attitudes, they either play victim claiming they are a minority and the non-muslims don’t respect them or demand special privileges due to the fact that their religion must be respected.
What is that respect they want? Easy, we must bow to their tradition and let them have everything their way.
Now let us examine what happens when we go to their countries. We either abide to their costumes or we face penalties that range from being thrown out of the country to prison and even death.
In their countries we must dress the way they want. In our countries they dress the way they want.
In their countries our women must act how they want. In our countries they want to treat their women according to their tradition and not according to our laws.
Where is the hatred? Who is not being sensible?
When they have trouble they ask for our help, but even then they pose demands on how that help must be given. When they don’t need us we are just infidels that deserve no respect.
Thank you but no thank you.
Their idea of diplomacy is to make demands and wait for others to comply.
Well, I will never accept that.
So, I applaud the way the Belgians are dealing with this situation. It was just about time someone stood up and said Enough!.
posted by DCveR at 10:38 AM
9 Comments:
I am very tolerant person. I have nothing against other cultures (I am really interested in them actally) but I must agree with that. If they don't want alcohol - no problem, no one will be forced to drink, don't want some other things - ok. But they have to (just the same way as we have to when we are visiting them) comply with our culture. It's just a normal, unwritten, bilateral agreement.
Their faith/law is so at odds with modern culture they must find some outlet or way to cope. If you think about it, they're really as much of a victim of their ideology as we are.
Topics like this are sort of out of character for me, I apologize, but I was an American soldier in Desert Storm and the people I saw there weren't my enemies, they were just...people - every bit as frustrated and confused as everyone one else on the planet.
Shyha: I am tolerant too, but my tolerance ends faster with passive-aggressive people than with violent people
the dad: I know what you mean, and to a point u r right, I know people and their rulers are not the same, but the fact remains their rulers are trying to force us into submission in a devious way, asking for respect when they are not willing to respect us, trying to maneuver us by guilt. The ‘people’ in their countries is brain washed and forced into submission (although our people is brain washed too in other ways, subject to other post, I guess), When in personnal contact with them in their land, and after a while, they probably will say of you the same you say about them now, just ordinary folks, as a whole they think of us all as the enemy, the infidels.
Yep, I agree.
I rather admire the way people of different religious persuasions live in relative harmony in countries like Guyana, Trinidad, Suriname…
GENERALLY speaking, in Guyana Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, 7 Days Adventists, Evangelists, Jehovah Witnesses…I can go on listing…respect each other’s beliefs, practices.
We visit each other’s homes, attend weddings, funerals of friends / co-workers of different religious practices. There are no hard and fast rules about the wearing of ‘religious garb’ for work. If it becomes an issue, it is dealt with by the relevant govt. min. but most employers don’t seem to have a problem. The 7 Days Adventists don’t work on Saturdays. Muslims are allowed time off for Friday lunchtime prayers, that sort of thing.
Sometimes you’d see a letter in the papers, or hear someone blabbing on tv criticizing a religion…but it comes to nothing…ignored by most of the population.
Most folks here think that religion is a personal issue [not up for public debate], and maybe that’s why we tend to [generally speaking] get along well in the religion area at least.
I think that give and take, tolerance and compromise are much needed for people to live together. The world is changing, whether we like it or not.
GG - I know what you mean. You reminded me of Lebanon, the way it used to be, with all kinds of christians (roman catholic, orthodox, copt, protestant), jews and muslims. Up to a certain period not so long ago they all could get along. But the problem in Europe now is that the minorities are capitalizing on guilt, they are being passive-agressive and trying to force others into their demands simply by playing unfortunate, unwanted, misunderstood victims of their 'hosts'. Immigrants demanding more privilleges than the governments can afford to give the nationals. A family contacted a TV channel because they were asking for money from the portuguese government and were getting no response. They were all here illegally, yet they wanted to make their demands public to make sure they could get something. If someone dares to say why should our taxes be given to them, that person will be labbeled racist on the spot.
I know what you mean about people who play the victim role...here it's one group of people who readily holler about being 'marginalised', and that's why they're not 'successful'.
Ohhhh yes, that guilt thing...I've seen folks work it on visitors to the Caribbean.
My parents taught me that hard work, and nothing else, not anyone else, will help me to get where I'm going.
The 'victim' role and blaming others is just a convenient excuse for failure.
Ok, that's it, to heck with New York I'm moving to Guyana, loud generators and all.
Dcver, I overstand exactly what you mean with the way various groups attempt to abuse the system. There are times when there are simply no happy mediums. There aren't many Muslems here where I live, but in the next state over, there are many, and they seem to be very peaceful. There is a lot of separation of religious groups here in the U.S just as there is racism of other forms. What I find interesting is that other countries seem to have way more tolerance for a lot of things compared to those of us in the U.S.
Well, just to give you an idea, Portugal has a Jewish village, older than our nation.
That village was there when the Muslims invaded this area, stood there while our ancestors shoved the Muslims all the way back to North Africa. Stood there through the Inquisition times. Is there today. The Muslims themselves were not all shoved back to Africa, the easy going ones that had mixed with the natives stayed and influenced our culture a lot, as can be seen even today in many words, clothes and habits (even hygiene habits, in those days the rest of Europe wasn’t fond of baths). And officially we are a Catholic nation.
BTW, you got me going to the dictionary with “overstand”, guess that word is the start of a new post!!!
:)
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